Health care

Yesterday I saw one of the latest movie made by Micahel Moore, "Sicko". For some of you, who haven`t seen it yet you may do it here.
I have already discussed about this movie with Linda by e-mail and I want to know more. Least to say, it was shocking. And amounts of money mentiond there are just close to impossible, especially for me. My country is poor, people in Serbia has average salary of 350 eur and God only knows when we are going to recover from recent wars and economic sanctions. But… Living in Serbia and experiencing last two decades the way they happened, made me very suspicious toward anything written in newspapers or said on TV. There is no absolute truth and usualy we, ordinary people, don`t have enough information to be certain about important matters. So this is what came as an idea to me: I will let you make this post through comments – you may write about healt care in your country, is it good or bad, what troubles you most, who are you blaming for that, etc, etc, etc…. Also, I would like you to tell me how much from a M. Moore`s movie is a true and what is errr…. bended truth. Under a condition: try not just to say everything in movie is a lie. What I want are the facts not only a plain opinion about movie – it was just a reason I made this post. We live in a world of lot of delusions and don`t need to contribute to that. Truth is always somewhere in between.

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115 Responses to Health care

  1. L2D2 says:

    Dare, check out this blog. Bev is a conservative Black American, and she just made this post about health care bill:http://my.opera.com/conservativeminority/blog/2009/08/11/this-scary-health-care-billDon't know if you understood but if this health care bill gets passed, the government will have the right to order euthanasia. Get that? They can order patients to be put to death. Sound scary? You bet.

  2. L2D2 says:

    It is scary Mirabela. There are so many pages in this bill that when it went through the House of Representatives with a Democratic majority, they voted for it without having ever read it. It gives government all power over people's lives and that is always a disaster for the people.

  3. sanshan says:

    That does sound scary. And I want to make a point that this is not the way the Canadian system is run, the changes are not modeled after what we do as some may believe.

  4. gdare says:

    I will read it tomorrow, now it is too late and I am tired, just came home from training. Thanks.

  5. Words says:

    Originally posted by L2D2:

    the government will have the right to order euthanasia

    Where precisely does it say this? I'm sorry, this sounds like scare mongering. I'm also shocked at the number of times basic equality rights (such as the availability of a translator) are deemed to be somehow to be great evils.

  6. PainterWoman says:

    Euthanasia of humans is against the law isn't it? Anyone remember that doctor who helped many terminally ill patients take their own lives? I think he was dubbed Dr. Death.

  7. L2D2 says:

    Not sure of the spelling, but was Dr. Kavorkian.

  8. PainterWoman says:

    I have a feeling that many of these things are being taken out of context. I just read the entire page 429 on the bill. A little further down on the same page it says:17 ‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s18 preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, in19 cluding an indication of the treatment and care de20 sired by the individual;It just seems like the scare mongerers, as Words mentioned, are taking small parts and making a big to do about just those words to scare people. I plan on reading more of this to try and make some sense of it.

  9. L2D2 says:

    > Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved> list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.> (assisted suicide)> > Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for> end of life.. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

  10. sanshan says:

    I agree with Words. Fear mongering. Why doesn't someone who is in the health profession define for us what an end of life order is. I have a pretty good idea, and I'm positive it is not to do with euthanasia.

  11. L2D2 says:

    > Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care> consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life> plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!> > Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors> can write an end of life order.> > Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of> treatment you will have at end of life!Does that sound unclear to anyone?These are taken from the bill itself, not hearsay.

  12. sanshan says:

    I have something called a living will. My family and doctor have my permission to not use excessive means to prolong my life if I am on life support for a long time.

  13. gdare says:

    Uhh, I think this text will be too hard for me to understand. Anyway, I will give it a try.San, it would be nice if someone who is medical person could read this and make some explanations. Or a lawyer who works with medical cases.

  14. sanshan says:

    Sorry about your mom. Yes, we have advanced directives like that too.All this talk (fear mongering) about the government legislating forced euthanasia is really starting to tick me off. It's all part of these conspiracy theories, the so called New World Order. I'm just tired of it.

  15. PainterWoman says:

    I used to post on this site that had a bunch of guys, maybe some gals too, that posted all kinds of conspiracy type stuff, NWO stuff, the year 2012 is the end of the world, etc. They did it over and over and totally spammed the board. I got tired of it and left. I really don't know if they truly believed what they were saying or not; or, maybe they were payed to get people riled up, I don't know. I tend not to believe these types of things. But if I'm curious about something I'll research it myself.

  16. PainterWoman says:

    San, my sis is a social worker for a large hospice. She handles many things with dying patients including something called 'advanced directives'. All resources are explained to the patient and the family. The advanced directives are the wishes of the patient, if they are able and, if not, with the immediate family. Also, when my mum was on her last few days at a hospice, she signed a 'do not resuscitate' form. I had to sign it too. There was nothing else that could be done, no more chemo was available, she wanted to go but to be pain free.

  17. sanshan says:

    I had to leave the man I loved because of his obsession with the NWO. Yeah, that's why I feel emotional about it.

  18. norskblu says:

    Wow! This blog is full of interesting information! :yes: :up: I`m from Romania and as a friend of mine (tibipop)wrote earlier, our health care system is pretty much like the one in Serbia. I`m a final year student at the university of medicine and I`m about to become a doctor in a couple of months.In Romania, children and retired people are always insured. The adults who have a job, usualy have an insurance for which they don`t have to pay very much. Everybody has to have a family doctor, who`ll treat the not so important problems and who`ll guide the patient to a specialist, if needed.Private medical offices are everywhere and the doctor who`ll treat you in the public hospital may have his own private office, clinic or laboratory. You don`t have to pay in the hospital if you have an insurance, but you will pay if going to a private office. Of course, private offices are better looking and better equiped than the public ones… Dentists are everywhere! Being a dentist in Romania is indeed, a good business. They all have private practices, most of them at very good standards. Prices vary (my dentist asked for 23 euro/tooth). The problem is that our doctors, most of them well trained, are leaving the country for a better job and a bigger salary abroad.Generaly, you get treated in the hospital without major incidents… but bad things can happen sometime… There have been cases of medical fault, but not all of them entirely true. Media is usually making a huge fuss and sometimes they are blaming the doctor even if it`s not his fault… I`m not saying this because I`m about to become one, but because you know how things appear on TV :).I`ve been told that the foreign turists who encounter medical problems in Romania, are well impressed by the promptness they are treated with. A surgeon once told me that one day, an American turist came to the hospital, bringing his kid who had broken his leg. The doctors told him that they needed to make an x-ray to see if the bone was realy broken and if it was and needed an operation, the child would have gone under surgery the same day. The man was shocked that he didn`t have to wait for a couple of days before his child would have had that x-ray or the operation itself. There was no waiting list.Is it that the way it goes in the US? I mean, if I`m having my leg broken there, would I have to wait for a week or two before the doctor does something to it? Broken legs are an emergency, as far as I know, either you need to be operated or just having your leg immobilized for some time. Anyway, Michael Moor`s movie made me realize that the American healthcare system is none of the expected… Hey! I`m living in a country that`s supposed to be poor and could not be compared to the mighty USA, but at least, we`re not letting our citizens die on the streets for not having an insurance… It`s sad!

  19. gdare says:

    Norskblu, welcome to my blog :up:Reading your comment made me feel as if you are talking about Serbia 😆 Except for that dentist price, 60 euro is just too much :faint:As for the question you've made about broken leg, someone from USA could give much better answer, but we will have to wait for a while, they are all sleeping now :zzz: Anyway, I don't think they will let patient just stay and wait, they would immobilize leg but patient would probably have to fill some forms in order to be aproved for operation. If I am wrong, some of my USA visitors will correct me.:)

  20. MirabelaTM says:

    Salut Norskblu 🙂 ,You said that we don't have to pay in the hospital if we have an insurance, but did you read this: http://tvr.ro/articol.php?id=65252Darko, ako budeš nekad pokrenuo temu o kvalitetu medicinske nege i radu doktora i medicinskih sestara/tehničara o tome imam puno da kažem.

  21. norskblu says:

    Hey, Mira! Yes, I know about that. It`s not a bad idea. Hospitals need money, the entire healthcare system needs more money. Plus, it`s working in other countries, too. 😉

  22. gdare says:

    Miro, ako želiš, možeš i ovde da kažeš nešto o tome :up:

  23. norskblu says:

    Hi, gdare! 60 euro was for a tooth implant. 23 euro for a tooth filling.

  24. Minenow says:

    You sure picked the right post topic at the right time (for us in the States anyhow) We have protests at town hall meetings, accusations swirling, and people plain out freaking out because of rumors in and around the process of attaining a national health care system. :faint: The tension is thick.

  25. gdare says:

    Ah, that`s ok, then 😀

  26. norskblu says:

    🙂 I was discussing with MirabelaTM about the copayment. Starting september 1st, Romanians will have to pay a small tax (aprox. 1 euro)for a visit to the family doctor, 11 euro for hospitals.

  27. gdare says:

    I have a general sense of timing but this one came unintentionaly. This is something I was thinking about for some time now.

  28. gdare says:

    Yes, she mentioned that before in comments (I think) 🙂

  29. L2D2 says:

    If a person goes to the emergency room in U.S. they cannot be denied treatment. I DO know that just the last couple of years, emergency room patients are given the least amount of treatment that is possible to be given if one doesn't have insurance. A patient can apply, though, for charity treatment if have low income. And there is indigent health care.I broke my wrist while going to school in the early 90s. Had very little income and qualified for indigent health care. Doctor bill alone was $7000.00 for orthopedic surgeon who put external fixation device on my arm (couldn't use a cast). But in my particular case, I had to pay no money. And at various visits to ER, I have had help with my costs (this was before I qualified for Medicare)

  30. studio41 says:

    hey Darko, I asked Joe to respond to this post and he agreed. he mailed me his comment as anon. is turned off on your site. I respect his op and he has experience in the industry. here it is:"Hi Darko, Jill asked me to comment since I have some first hand knowledge about the industry, being employed by an insurance company. I never advocate watching Michael Moore, since he is a capitalist as much as anyone and is prone to exaggerate to push his own political ideology, a sort “shock jock” of American film making, you will rarely find a balanced and impartial rendering of truth. You are wise, however, to say that it is somewhere in between… that the most likely cause of escalating healthcare costs actually reside in the habits of consumers. Let me explain. But let me not jump the gun without first letting you know that the President’s plan of creating a competitive governmental health plan would be disastrous to the viability of commercial plans. Actuarally speaking, the 800-pound gorilla would have so much power over the market that it wouldn’t be too long before America would slide incrementally into a single-payer socialist model. It’s actually kind of funny, Darko, that there is so many tentacles to this health care octopus, that it’s hard to determine where to start. I’m going to start with how health care was in our state 15-20 years ago. As an employee of a small company (5 people), I could purchase a policy for my family for approx. $200 per month, combined with approx. $500 per month my employer would pay, the policy was top of the line. I had no copays and no coinsurance. If you are unfamiliar with these concepts, it means that I never had to pay anything else other than my premium of $200 per month. All medical costs that I experienced would be covered 100% with virtually no limit on expenses. The insurer could afford to provide this care because they combined our risk (of bad health) with the cumulative good health of hundreds of thousands of other people. In accounting terms, the money that was collected by the insurer more than covered the claims of the consumers. Unfortunately, this system can be abused. If as a consumer I never had to pay the bills from doctors and hospitals, I was less likely to actually scrutinize the bills, and what we might have seen if we had looked, was the exhorbitant amount that was being charged by these providers of health care. I have an example, our daughter age 8 had gotten a rather nasty sliver on the tip of her finger. After trying a while, it was determined that she would see a doctor to remove the splinter. The office actually then set up my daughter for day surgery. By that time, I did have small copay (an amount collected by the provider before the insurer would pay the bill) of $100 for outpatient surgery. Had I not have to have paid this, I never would have looked at the bill since it was all covered. But when I looked at the bill, I was shocked that the bill was over $4,000 to remove a barely perceptible sliver from her finger. The outpatient facility charged $800, the doctor who removed the sliver charged $2,000, the doctor who administered the laughing gas charged $1,200. ALL FOR A TINY SLIVER. I was aghast. But it wasn’t the first time. When Jill and I had our first child, everything went beautifully, but working for an insurance company I became very perceptive of what our nurses were doing that was very subdued, almost secretive. As they were providing care for Jill, they kept taking stickers off of things like disposable items and medications, and putting those stickers on Jill’s medical chart. They were doing this so they could tally all the individual little items to charge the insurance company for the stay. That’s when I check the detailed bill and found out that every time Jill received two Tylenol tablets, the hospital was charging $3 for two tablets, and so on and so on. The reason why this has been so confusing for the American public is that the piece of the puzzle that has been demonized has been the insurance companies, ostensibly for increasing premiums. Darko, we’d never have to increase premiums if the actual cost of providing the care hadn’t gone up so very much. But the consumer is most trustful of the doctors in whom their care is entrusted. If you can’t trust your doctor, who can you trust? What they didn’t know was that those doctors were robbing them blind, by charging the insurance companies so much. Now, not all doctors did charge so much, but most do. They justify it by saying it’s about malpractice lawsuits for bad care, or by saying their payments from Medicare (our social medicine for elders) were so low – which they were, but the doctors were more than making up for it by purchasing what we call ancillary services (MRI’s, CAT scans, Labs, Ultrasound, etc.). So when they ordered a CAT scan, they were making additional money by owing those services. Of course they never disclosed that to the patient, for whatever the motivation. Insurance companies are lucky to earn 5-8% profit, which for an American enterprise is very low. Doctors and hospitals have seen their profits rise dramatically the past 20 years, building new technological wings on hospitals, with ordinary practitioners of medicine making over $1,000,000 USD. They obfuscate the facts by saying they earn so much less, which in fact they do from a salary standpoint, approx. $200,000. However, what they don’t say is that they’ve structured their business in a way to pay themselves bonuses each quarter of year based on the profitability of their practice. These bonuses could easily be $250,000 each quarter. I’ll give you a recent example, I have sleep apnea. I needed to consult with a doctor called an Otolaryngologist (throat doctor). He walked into my waiting room and abruptly looked into my throat, then put a looking tube down my nostril. He informed me of my surgical options. That took 5 minutes, he seemed in a hurry when I kept him for an additional 5 minutes to ask questions about alternatives. I received a bill for $368 USD. Now think of this, he was in a hurry to get out of my room because he had another patient waiting for him, and so on and so on. Let’s do a little math, let’s say he can see approx. 6 patients per hour. Let’s say he does this 4 days a week, one day he reserves for surgeries. Let’s say he puts in a 7 hour day. So 6 patients/hour x 7 hours/day x 4 days = 168 patients per week x $368/patient = $61,824 per week. Let’s assume he works 40 weeks a year (which means he has 12 weeks off), that means he bills $61,824/week x 40 weeks = $2,472,960 per year for his practice. This DOES NOT include actual cost of surgeries. Now he doesn’t collect 100% of his charges because he negotiates his charges with the insurer, but let’s say he gets 60% of those charges, or $1,483,776. So that coupled with the hundreds of thousands of dollars for surgeries, less his staff and office space, tells me he is doing quiet well financially. (By the way, Dentists also fall into this business model and can be extremely wealthy by American standards.) So I can point fingers at doctors, hospitals, and even insurers who stood by and did nothing to manage the way doctors were allowed to rack up charges. But really, if I am to be truthful, the responsibility resides in the consumer for really not caring about the costs until now it is too late. Consumers over-utilized our system, causing the doctors to see their occupations not as a calling to serve the welfare of the people, but as an extremely profitable business venture. If you want to read a very good article that outlines the problem read the following link. It is hard to understand all the details thrown in but if you ask Jill to ask me, I’d be glad to respond with an answer. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande Also, there is a very good movie called “John Q” staring Denzel Washington, you might want to check that out. It also spreads the blame so that the Employer, Employee, Hospital, Doctor and Insurance company all get a little blame. That is what I’d call a balanced view of the problem. Best wishes, Joe."

  31. gdare says:

    I think this was the best explanation about the topic so far. Joe, thank you very much. I guess my visitors, especially the ones from USA will read it because of your first hand knowledge. This comment is what I needed here as to complete the overall view of the "problem" Michael Moore presented in his movie.Also, one more proof for not believeing to everything written in newspapers and spoken on TV. What we all need is to use our heads for hard thinking and then making opinions. As I mentioned earlier, we all have only bits of truth and it is hard to make complete picture. World is never black and white.Thanks again. Folks, you may ask questions now, I hope Joe would have enough time to explain.

  32. gdare says:

    Originally posted by PainterWoman:

    'well, you pay for peace of mine', then left

    :faint:

  33. PainterWoman says:

    Darko, Joe's explanation was very well put. I'd also like to add that I, the consumer (the patient), should also take some of the blame. Not me, personally, but all the people who file trivial malpractice lawsuits. I won't get into the legal issues and how much lawyers charge. That's a post all it's own. They should take some of the blame too because they charge an extreme amount of money. I know this for a fact because I used to be a legal secretary and typed out bills. And this was 30 yers ago, so you can imagine what their charges are now. I must also say that a few of the the doctors/dentists I've had over the years have my praise. They cared and spent much more time with me than five minutes. It can be expensive to shop around but I do. If I go one time and the doctor seems hurried and spends less than five minutes with me, I never go again. I went to a dermatoligist once to have him look at a couple of things and he flew in the door, said 'benign' four different times to each spot on my face I pointed to, then began to leave. I said 'that was a really short examination' because it had been less than five minutes….more like two. He paused for a second, then flippantly said 'well, you pay for peace of mind', then left. Pompous ass. I never went to him again.

  34. PainterWoman says:

    😆 I just fixed it. I meant 'peace of mind'.

  35. L2D2 says:

    I didn't even notice till you made that statement, Pam. You'll pay for a piece of mine! muhahahahah.I appreciate the piece by Joe. It gives a better overall picture than most of the things said here. I think the problem of most of the bad situations fin the U.S. can be summed up with the word "greed". The almighty dollar has come to mean more to people than fairness, justice, compassion and the Hippocratic Oath.

  36. Stardancer says:

    Thank you, Joe!That's what I was talking about. Why aren't they trying to attack the high costs of health care, rather than focusing on forcing everybody to have health insurance? That will only–ONLY–increase the costs of health care, and make it impossible for the poor, disabled, and elderly to even afford the most minimal care.And yeah, greed is the culprit here. And the government is just wanting their share.:furious:

  37. studio41 says:

    can I charge admission fee? get my cut? 😀 😆 I will split with Darko, of course… (this is sort of like the 'referral' fees doctors always collect on passing patients off from one to another…)good idea? 💡 …yes, for the doctors, (ching ching$$, ching ching$$) but not for the patients, since it doesn't foster anything good, at least I cannot think of anything. on the information/health history forms when patients walk into a new doctor's office/clinic there is most often a space asking how you learned about the clinic -or- referred doctor, this is there so doctor's benefit by paying out a referral fee to the referring physician… they pad one another's pockets this way, keep the money cirulating, if you will (pays for the golf caddy, I guess)… being a bit sarcastic, but this has no place in health care (I was going to say politics, slip of the tongue/mind)… it can foster unethical behaviour, you see, a doctor may suggest an unnecessary procedure so as to refer 'business' (spread the love) and then the other doc keeps his schedule to full capacity, while the referring physician garners a fee. win/win. and all for "peace of mine" lol (had to borrow from Pam there)what do you think, Darko? questions for Joe? $1. $2. $3. ? just joking, but trying to illustrate a principle. it really does happen. sorry to sound a bit jaded. I do believe we have a great set of doctors, researchers, treatments and cures… currently, personally, there is another problem that has hit because of our 'economy', for example, my mother's pension was reduced as my father was a General Motors employee… it went down for her $70/month and her medication (only one) went up $30 I think she said. net loss, about $100. even without the economic situation we have here, medications often keep rising, even though generics come out after patents expire… pensions oft ebb and flow and seniors, the unwealthy ones, struggle to get by with rising costs… and more and more needs. there's a bummer for ya. and for many other, here, it gets so much worse. but Obama's reform is not the solution.personally, I have to say, the doc I have now is very good… I have been blessed with several who have helped greatly in time of need, professional, excellent care… but there is the other side of things as well.glad Joe's contribution was helpful and appreciated. I have passed on to him. he would like to touch on Obama plan, also…

  38. martinouellette says:

    Canada is a vast country and in the movie the people (in Canada) say they waited very few to see a doctor, it's not always the case. Sometimes, in some cities, you may wait a longggg time…

  39. gdare says:

    :insane:

  40. Suntana says:

    Here is an anecdote regarding the outrageous fees / prices in the medical industry.My Mom told me that some years back, her oldest sister had some foot ailment. So, she was prescribed these Therapeutic Shoes … which just happened to cost $600.00!! :yikes: My Mom got to see them and said they were ugly and didn't appear to have anything remotely significantly showing signs that they could be of any therapeutic use. Medicare paid for them, with I guess my aunt paying some Co-payment.Months later, my aunt actually gave the shoes to my Mom. They didn't fit my Mom and besides, she thought they were seriously hideous. So, my Mom sold them at one of their yard sales for like $2.00. :lol:Then sometime later, my Mom wound up getting prescribed the same $600.00 shoes. My Mom has a major beef with how physicians and hospitals rip off Medicare. So, my Mom told the doctor, "WHAT? $600.00? That is wayyy too expensive!" The doctor immediately went, "Oh, don't worry. Medicare will pay it." Aggravated, my Mom went, "YES, I KNOW Medicare will pay it. That's part of what bugs me." The doctor went, "Oh, and don't worry about the big Co-payment. It's very possible that we can fix it to where you don't have to pay anything or very little." Getting still more annoyed, my Mom shot back, "Even IF I could pay the Co-payment, I want nothing to do with this shameless ripping off of Medicare because that's what this is … Robbery. I don't want those shoes!"And my Mom just plain ole refused the shoes, even if she could conceivably have gotten them for free … just knowing that Medicare was gonna get sucked out of $600.00 for some simplistic Fugly shoes.

  41. gdare says:

    Your mom is smart woman :up:

  42. edwardpiercy says:

    Well, I came a little late here to be anything but a footnote, but I'll add my nickel's worth anyway. As I mentioned on Star's blog, I don't trust my goverment (U.S.) to do anything the right way anymore. I think our system here does have it's serious flaws; but I also think that the physicians and hospitals are slowly making changes to work things out. As I wrote on a post not too far back, the doctors are on the side of Life. Let's let them figure it out. If goverment money needs to be spent here and there, or if ways of operating need to be changed, they will do it and I think they will do it in a fair and equitable way for everyone. You know, my biventricular pacemaker cost $165,000 US. And to this point I have yet to have to pay out so much as one dime. That's because I am poor and my doctors are ethical human beings who are treating me as a charity case simply because they know that without it I would have been dead. They are on the side of Life. I would rather put my faith in them than anyone. PS I should mention that I do have Medicare insurance. So my doctors "only" had to contribute $35,000. And the odd thing is that what they lost was made up for by insurace they carry for such contingencies. So, here's an idea, why not just have the goverment pay for their supplemental insurance? that way physicians would be a lot more able to take on cases like mine.

  43. edwardpiercy says:

    That's good Linda. I'm glad you have a good doctor. :up::)BTW, I apologize for calling you Pam. I fixed it.

  44. edwardpiercy says:

    Ah, but there's another problem. People get onto Medicare only to find that some doctors won't even take Medicare patients anymore. Too much of a billing problem for them. I think that the situation here now is that the cost of people not having insurance is being passed on to those that do. And that's what I meant when I mentioned that perhaps the gornment should simply pay the supplemental insurance for doctors and hospitals. — but without administering it. Linda, you don't seem to trust the goverment in this. And you don't seem to trust the medical community. So what are you going to do — fix it yourself?You gotta put your faith in somebody.

  45. L2D2 says:

    Ripping off Medicare seems to be the name of the game for doctors/ins. companies. I do not have any proof, but I know that for the same object, treatment, device, what have you, these care providers charge more to Medicare/Medicaid than they do to other patients. LIke I said, I don't have the proof, but I have seen it happen.Would be interesting to pay more attention to the bills for my liquid breathing medicines and then find someone who doesn't get their same medications through Medicare, and see if there is any difference in charges. The three medications that I do get cost hundreds of dollars per shipment. (to Medicare)

  46. L2D2 says:

    God will do, Edward, but personally, it is hard to know who in the entire medical profession, TO trust. I do trust my doctor to take care of me.

  47. L2D2 says:

    I have a family doctor and a pulmonologist for my lungs and I trust both of them—but I would also guess they gouge Medicare here and there—-because they can.I have no quarrel with my medical care Edward, but you know what? I am certain that the only thing that will allow me to live longer would be a lung transplant—but I doubt that will happen, because I don't believe Medicare will pay for transplants and ANY KIND of transplant starts at around $50,000, and more likely over $150,000. I would have to win the Texas Lottery to be able to pay for that kind of thing.

  48. edwardpiercy says:

    You're out of my area with the lung transplant thing. But I wish you the best, Linda.

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