Today I have seen a comment in Zaphira`s post about something that happened to her today. At one point she said that in Denmark, if people are rich, there is a possibility of being a victim of criminal gangs from Eastern Europe, for instance gangs from ex-Yugoslavia. Of course I think she didn`t mean anything bad about me with that remark. But the fact she mentioned that, made me make this post (thanks Zaph πŸ˜€ )
I Googled a bit about the topic and have read a lot of interesting texts. I know that some gangs were operated in countries of western Europe from 70s and 80s, but even then, most known and best organized gangs were from Albania, Italy and northern Africa. Iron curtain between west and east part of Europe worked very well and gangs mostly "swam in their own waters". With breaking of a famous Wall in Berlin, waters got mixed and a lot of fish changed their territory. I remember, when I was in Berlin in December of 1990. some Berliners were not satisfied with breaking a wall, saying that a lot of criminals from East Germany came and that criminal rate was raising. I was too young to think deeper about that (and I thought that persons who told me that were exaggerating πŸ˜› ). And my country, Yugoslavia, still existed back then…
Wars in Balkan, except for producing 6 independent countries and one UN-protected region, made a new generation of criminals who were "educated" in war zones. When I was a kid, I knew that some kind of code existed among gangs in Belgrade, probably in whole Yugoslavia as well. They were separated by the area where they operated (mostly, they were born in a same areas) and coexisted. Using of firearms was rare and they had their ways of solving disagreements. During 90s, all codes dissapeared. In the darkest times, firearms were used even in daily clashes, resulting dead criminals and innocent people. One criminal has said to a reporter of one newspapers that Serbia is a "small pond with a lot of crocodiles" – and it was a best description about criminal gangs here I have ever heard.
Naturaly, some of crocodiles needed to "change waters" so the logical choice was western Europe. Being ruthless, there were no problems to organize all sorts of activities – from pickpocketing to people traficking, drugs and prostitution. Some of them started to work for bosses who resided there already, some of them killed previous bosses and took their places – being more ruthless. Some of them started to work together with gangs from Albania, Kosovo, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldavia, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Turkie, you name it. I`ve read some reports from Barcelona that pickpocketing is so profitable that one small criminal from Moldavia had 25 wallets at the moment when he was arrested. And it was a prey from only one morning :yikes: I do really hope Rose is taking good care of herself :left:
More dangerous are drug smugglers and person trafficking gangs. There is an information that 500.000 illegal immigrants are entering Europe every year and they are paying 4000 USD as average fee for a transfer. The worst thing is that penalties are not hard enough to stop it and that main bosses don`t even reside in countries where most of their profit is coming from. Also, they are using different electronic devices for tracking police and avoiding ambushes. They will leave their "cargo" (or push it in the sea) if there is danger for them to be arrested. It is usual to have bribed member of police or customs in the areas of border crossing.
Smuggling drugs is organized different – in south of Europe this kind of crime is organised by south Americans, mostly Columbians, but in the north there are gangs from Russia and Kosovo. Of course, it may be not quite accurate, because south Italian gangs are still active, no matter how much eastern European gangs pushed them aside. There were some stories in our newspapers about excellent cooperation between gangs from Montenegro and Italy.
According to my opinion, the most dangerous are contract killers. They spent years in Balkan wars, becoming very skillful in a lot of ways of taking lives – from silent murders by cold weapons and sniper riffles to explosives and automatic weapon ambushing. Yesterday enemies became good co-workers. The last example is assasination of owner of newspaper magazine in Croatia and his associate, with planted explosive. Main suspect is from Bosnia, it seems he was helped by some people from Serbia and Croatia and killing was probably ordered from Monetengro, maybe even Italy.

It feels bad when someone from abroad recognize your country by the crime their citizen do all over the world. I had a personal experience, about 16 years ago, with some people from Sweden. The moment they heard that I am from Serbia, they moved away from me like I was infectious. I can`t blame them, probably they have heard bad stories in the news. War, crime and stuff. But I felt bad and angry at the same time. No matter what you do and how nice your behaviour is, at least one label will remain.
Like a curse.

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65 Responses to Crime

  1. LorenzoCelsi says:

    If it makes you feel better, I've never heard of Serbians involved in crimes here.BTW, about comments there: if somebody is trying to demolish my door I don't grab a knife but the phone to call the police. My door is armored anyway, like 99% of italian doors. πŸ™‚

  2. LorenzoCelsi says:

    Darko, here we have 4 regions that are under military control by 4 different kind of mafia, plus we have million immigrants from the worst areas of europe, asia and africa. If there are a bunch of Serbians in between, they go unnoticed. I don't know what is in the Police reports but in the news Serbians are missing.EDIT:See here:

  3. gdare says:

    I have. But thanks, anyway :cheers:

  4. Furie says:

    Aren't you the star of Grand Theft Auto 4 though? :p I remember a story a friend of mine told me about a night out in Zimbabwe. He and some friends had pooled their money and put it in one of their socks for safe keeping. Of course, some thieves saw the huge wad of notes being put there between each round, followed him to the toilets, knocked him out on his way back, hacked his foot off with a machete and legged it. Unfortunately for them while in the toilets he'd gotten the money out to play with it all and put it back in the other sock. Don't know how true it is, but it's the worst undeserved attack I've heard of.

  5. ellinidata says:

    In every country there are active gangs,In New York City to this day they are depends of where you are and what time of the day…as for you Darko,you are stealing the hearts of the Opera females… hmmmm what about that my friend ?? πŸ˜†

  6. Dacotah says:

    Interesting post Darko.

  7. Zaphira says:

    Of course I think she didn`t mean anything bad about me with that remark.

    That's true, I didn't. πŸ™‚ It's just a fact, that those robberies that are solved, where gangs break in and rob people ruthlessly, those robberies have been committed by people from eastern Europe. It's sad really. We also have a lot of pickpockets, mainly gypsies, that get here on large busses only to steal money. :mad:Good post! :up:As for this comment: Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:

    BTW, about comments there: if somebody is trying to demolish my door I don't grab a knife but the phone to call the police.

    Silly to comment to a post another place than on the post – but okay. I reacted instinctively. I will defend what's mine. What would you suggest I'd do while I waited for the police to show up? I live on the second floor and climb out the window was not an option. πŸ™„

  8. Dacotah says:


  9. gdare says:

    Lorenzo – people that I have heard of are/were shoplifters and operated in north parts of Italy. But I will take your word that there are worst gangs. As for Zaphira mentioned, I would probably react the same, I am not sure how long the police would need to come to my place. But I will try to call them anyway. A boss from my ex-company, was attacked that way in a broad daylight in his appartment, held few hours as a hostage while robbers, 3 of them, were searching through. They have took away some money and stuff, went somewhere but came back for more :yikes: Fortunately he managed to free himself and call a police. The two robbers were under 18 but all of them were armed, with rifle, handgun and baseball bat :left:Mik – πŸ˜† I remember that πŸ˜€ Actually, most of the robbers are very inteligent people, watching carefully a behaviour of their prey; we had a TV show about 10 years ago where convicts explained their way of robbing people or appartments; it was amazing, they took chances after things that we usually do everyday :eyes:Angeliki – you know that gossips are exaggerated :lol:Carol – thank you :)Zaphira – thanks; they are very cruel; the more serious a "business" is, the more cruel they are; and usually, they are few steps ahead of police and lot of them finish unpunished :down:

  10. kalynka says:

    Interesting post. Sad that because evil is more obvious for the officials and citizens, immigrants who're willing to work and live acording to the law face a lot of problems, including bad attitude :down: Now after you made this post being inspired by Zaphira's remark, should I do the same after you've mentioned Russian gangs a couple of times :p?

  11. LorenzoCelsi says:

    Silly to comment to a post another place than on the post – but okay. I reacted instinctively. I will defend what's mine. What would you suggest I'd do while I waited for the police to show up? I live on the second floor and climb out the window was not an option. πŸ™„

    I think going in a knife fight with somebody who is kicking your door works only if you are Steven Seagal. In real life you would end wounded or maybe killed because who comes to kick your door is ready and willing to overcome any possible reaction. The logical curse of action, after calling the police, is to reduce the confrontation to the minimum level, so either you hide or give them what they want.

  12. gdare says:

    Alla – you are right, the rest majority of people are more influenced by this attitude :awww:"…should I do the same after you've mentioned Russian gangs a couple of times?"Please do, it will be very interesting to read :yes:Lorenzo – I am Steven Seagal πŸ˜† πŸ˜›

  13. LorenzoCelsi says:

    Can I call you when the bad guys scare me? πŸ™‚

  14. kalynka says:

    If I find something about russian mafia, will do πŸ˜‰

  15. Furie says:

    Steven Seagal's a pussy. Kitty and Giant could both kick his ass. :yes: Hell, I'm well out of practice and I could probably kick his ass.

  16. Furie says:

    Actually Alla, this might be interesting. Every country has some other country that's portrayed as the bad guys, simply because the majority of well known crime in that country is committed by people from the other one (except my country where everyone is so proud of their crimes that they video it and post it on Youtube :irked: ). Anyway, it could be a new tag here. Write about crime in your country, explain what nationality commits it stereotypically, tag someone of that nationality to make their post. πŸ˜† Too much? :left:.Kitty, you've got good instincts. Protect yourself and what's yours. If someone's taken the time and effort to break into your home while you're there then the only true way you can know you're safe is when they're a corpse. Stopping anywhere short of that makes you merciful as well as a survivor. I know that even a wooden training knife can break bones if in trained hands. And attacking any single thief is more likely to make them run if they still can than hiding. Gangs are a different matter of course.

  17. LorenzoCelsi says:

    So you are saying Darko is a pussy…Besides, my training in Karate (I admit I wasn't good, it was just an hobby) taught me that in a fight basically the heaviest wins and all the story about the weakest beating the strongest is a fat lie. You have only a thin chance hitting by surprise some weak spot, which is extremely difficult when the opponent is prepared. I have trained with some women and regardless their skills in real life they would be hopeless. Consider I am a nerd, neither big or ready to kill. I don't see it like a smart move to confront an aggressor who is going to beat the crap out of you, unless you are sure you are going to die anyway.Like I said, it is much wiser to avoid confrontation by any means.

  18. ellinidata says:

    "Angeliki – you know that gossips are exaggerated":lol: nothing like a good rumor! :p

  19. kalynka says:

    Yeah, Mik that would be one informative tag πŸ˜†

  20. ricewood says:

    If anyone around was going to think that people from Serbia generally were vicious criminals with no feelings for other people, they would be proved wrong by reading this weblog.Let's never judge a whole population on the basis of what's done only by a minority.I come from the country of the infamous Mohammad cartoons – and I respect everybody's religion and would never deliberately ridicule any religious figure.There you go. Some people think all Danes are like the few people who would do that. Some people think all Serbs are criminals. Some people think all US citizens are the spitting image of Satan.That's why weblogging is so beneficial – you see, as soon as we get to know each other, all prejudice will eventually fall.

  21. ricewood says:

    I think that picture looks like Satan being the spitting image of one particular US citizen….

  22. ellinidata says:

    :lol:citizen by birth…he wouldn;t have passed any Citizenship test if he had to take it :D*nod*

  23. ellinidata says:

    @Allan,don't forget the Greek mafia πŸ˜€ we can steal a lamb for our Easter feast in no time! :lol:as for:"Some people think all US citizens are the spitting image of Satan'is this close enough??

  24. Furie says:

    You don't wanna go round putting words in my mouth.

  25. gdare says:

    Lorenzo – this is exactly what every police officer would say – to call the police, never resist, life is much more important; but…. during 90s there were few robberies when criminals killed all the members of families they have found; even a pets; when you call a police, they will need at least 10 minutes to show up – this is the time when you are on your own; I know I would attack them no matter how tiny my chances are *nods*Alla – I know you have to obey code of silence ;)Mik – "Write about crime in your country, explain what nationality commits it stereotypically, tag someone of that nationality to make their post". It would be interesting to see how long it would go – and I would probably end up banned for starting WWIII on line :left:Ricewood – exactly my point; people sometimes generalize and they don`t do it always with conscious bad intention; they just hear news on TV, some nationality (or a group of people) is mentioned few times and that becomes a rule; this is how public media make influence on audience;thanks for your kind words, I am happy I have so many clever good friends here :happy:Angeliki – πŸ˜† is this your Photoshop creation? πŸ˜€

  26. beavidal says:

    I feel bad when people talk about the brazilian women that goes to europe to marry men and get a 'better life'. I feel bad when people talk about the organized crime at Rio. I feel bad when people talk about the violence in my country… but bad things, bad people are everywhere.

  27. PainterWoman says:

    There are horrendous crimes done by gangs everywhere. Most of the inner cities have gangs. There are gangs here. I know they've been around. In our city we have what is called 'graffiti busters'. They are all volunteer people who go around and paint over graffiti left by the gangs. Last year there were quite a few home invasions. Most of them turned out to be drug related. As a woman, I would never be alone walking around in a foregin country. When in Europe, I was always with my friend but, even together, we were fearful only in one country, mainly on the train. While bandits were stealing from passengers during the night and no one did anything, the conductor screamed at us early the next morning and motioned for us to get off the train. We kept shaking our heads and showing our tickets but he kept screaming. Finally, he threw up his hands, turned away and said something in his language…ending with 'Americans'. This particular country we were in had the most gang graffitti I had ever seen. It was everywhere, even on the art museums and churches. I know we are not liked in many countries or, maybe this conductor just didn't like two old American ladies. I think if I were to ever travel again, I'd be sure to be with someone who spoke the language.

  28. ellinidata says:

    πŸ˜€ I love photoshop !

  29. gdare says:

    Pam – I have visited half of the Europe by my own and nothing ever happened to me. I was only once warned not to go to Plzen in Check Republic, in 1990. I met 3 guys in a train from Brno to Prague and one of them warned me that it will not be safe for me alone to go there. I was only 21 then and they were older. I guess ex-socialist counties in the beginning of 90s were mostly unsafe for tourists, especially in smaller cities :left:Angeliki – we all do πŸ˜†

  30. edwardpiercy says:

    Great post. The only Serbian I know up-close-and-personal is Zoran, one of the people who does my pacemaker stuff at my doctor's. He seems like a nice person. From a distance I know you, Darko. Which right there would be enough to dispel any negativity towards Serbians that I would hear about. Because Allan is right — we have THIS. And incidentally, I wouldn't use a phone (too slow) or a knife (not expert enought). I would use one of the golf clubs I keep in the hallway in front of my door. You'd have to be pretty incompetant not to be able to whack somebody in the head with a 7-iron as they stuck it through the door. I just watched Out for Justice last night. Some major ass-kicking by Segal in that one. And an interesting and novel use of a cork-screw.

  31. gdare says:

    Thank you Edward. There are good and evil people in a world and I want to believe that good ones are majority. Sad thing is that evil people do things that echoes harder.

  32. SittingFox says:

    Very interesting posts Darko :up: Concerning people smuggling, I used to work in the UK immigration service, and I interviewed many people who had allegedly travelled to the UK that way. :-/Of course, all countries have their good and bad elements. I wrote to a Canadian journalist a few years ago after she wrote a very nasty piece about the English! (It's amazing what having travelling football hooligans will do for your country's popularity…)

  33. gdare says:

    Thanks Adele. I have read a book "Steaming in" by Colin Word few years ago. He describes how really bad football hoolingans were during 70s. But it seems it is not that bad nowdays πŸ™‚

  34. rose-marie says:

    This is very interesting. At one point (during the 80's?), Yugoslavia was the number two nationality of immigrants in Sweden. (Number one was Finland.)They mainly came as work force in the 60's, and were looked upon as hard working good people.Then came some bad seeds, referred to as the Yugoslav mafia. I'm afraid they have ruined it for many of the "old" ones… If it makes you feel better, I think the general opininion is that they aren't as bad as the Kosovo Albanians :left:.Funny you should mention the pickpocketing in Barcelona… I don't think I've ever been to a big city where you get so many warnings (from notices and waiters) about keeping your belongings safe.Unfortunately, I did indeed become a number in the statistics :down:.

  35. Furie says:

    Sorry Rose. They were specifically instructed to take your forehead. :irked:

  36. gdare says:

    Thanks Rose :)They robbed you? :eyes:

  37. rose-marie says:

    That's what I hope too, Darko. I actually looked through the bins nearby, hoping they had just taken the cash and thrown the purse. It's such a hassle having to get a new driver's license *sighs*.Nice try, Mik :p. That would be hard to replace!

  38. gdare says:


  39. rose-marie says:

    They grabbed my purse from my bag (which was zipped and hidden under my jacket) at a cafΓ©. I noticed it immediately though, so they couldn't use my credit card. Also, I had emptied it on everything else but my driver's license (:irked: ) and some cash. They didn't get my phone or camera though :up:.The only thing I don't like is that they now have my ID…

  40. gdare says:

    They are after cash and credit cards mostly. Any other ID they usually toss very soon, because they know it has been reported.At least this is what I hope for :left:

  41. gdare says:

    Yes I know, I needed to make a duplicate of my ID card, credit card and public transportation ID few years ago :faint:

  42. rose-marie says:

    And by hassle I mean having to go down to their office and have them make a duplicate… :left:

  43. rose-marie says:

    Oh. Well, I bet you don't feel nearly as stupid as I did :o!

  44. rose-marie says:

    Ouch! Were you robbed?

  45. gdare says:

    You shouldn`t be, they are poffesionals in their "job" :left:

  46. gdare says:

    No, I lost my wallet out of a jacket pocket. I left it opened *feeling stupid*

  47. gdare says:

    "It's such a hassle having to get a new driver's license"Here too :insane:

  48. rose-marie says:

    But still – it was a textbook example on how to pick a bag…Anyway… I'm just glad they didn't get my camera :up:.

  49. gdare says:

    Yes. I hope Barcelona post is on its way πŸ˜€

  50. gdare says:

    OK πŸ™‚

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